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    <title>Happy Horny Werewolf Day!</title>
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    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=3748
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    <title>I want my damn phallus!</title>
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    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;I heard that if I joined this cult I would receive one genuine ceramic phallus with every bowl of grain ordered. And yet, I just keep getting the Circe action figure. What's up with that? And why do my seamen keep turning into farm animals? And how do I get Paris Hilton off of them now?&lt;/div&gt;
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    <title>Dionysus &amp;amp; Desperate Housewives</title>
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    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;MYTHIC ORIGINS: 
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&lt;br/&gt;Dionysus appealed to many frustrated and bored Greek housewives who felt obliged to strike out and shake their booty as it were. He did not belong to the original Greek pantheon of Olympians at all but was eventually absorbed to offset what could not be forestalled as a cultural wave of personal transformation. In order therefore to arrive at the core reality of the Dionysian myth and its implications it is important to separate what, at least in Greek tradition is implied literally and what is suggested symbolically. In many cases these go hand in hand and are often inseparable. This is a formidable task for any classically educated western mythographer as so much analysis has been heaped onto the compost heap of mythic significance that any attempt at demystification may impinge or detract from its intrinsic secrets, enigmas and paradoxes. It also seems expedient to recognise what elements of the archaic cult were later absorbed into mainstream philosophical, anthropological, and religious ritual and entered mythological symbolism. The cult also bears close parallels with Persian Sufism, Nordic and Russian Shamanism, as well as Hindu Tantric practices imported from the Far East into Asia Minor. As it found its way into the Mediterranean region it automatically absorbed the natural and philosophical elements of various Mystery Religions found at Eleusis and those fostered by the Orphics. Mythographers suggest a natural evolution from the cults of Dionysus Zagreus, a pagan woodland deity worshipped in ancient Greece who was dismembered by the Titans. The goddess Athena managed to save his heart and brought it to Zeus who swallowed it and gave birth to a new indestructible soul of the divine. Zeus then punished the Titans with his lightning bolts and human beings were then left to celebrate the death and revival of Dionysus each year in dramatic displays that gave rise to modern theatre (The Dionysia). In ancient Rome similar festivities became known as the Bacchanalia because one aspect of Dionysus was also known to the Greeks as Bacchus. 
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&lt;br/&gt;SEE ALSO HAOMA (The Food of the Gods) 
&lt;br/&gt;www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Reli..._plant.htm
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&lt;br/&gt;In many classical works he is mistakenly referred to as a vegetation deity which, in my view is slightly misleading. However, it will be found that Dionysian leitmotifs and their symbolism are virtually universal for reasons which will be revealed in the course of this essay. Firstly, there is little doubt that his Graeco-Roman cult is synonymous with that of the Egyptian Osiris, Phoenician Adonis, or Attis, the god Odin of N. Europe, the Cernunnos of Celto-Germanic origins, the Judaic-Christian Jehovah (Jesus), Sumerian Tammuz, Aztec and Mayan Quetzacoatl, and Shiva of Hindu mythology. Furthermore, legends, myths and folktales from remote regions of the world contain elements of the Dionysian phenomena leaving one to construe that his supernatural emergence is both natural and culturally widespread. We can identify numerous parallels of a dying and resurrected vegetable god in N. America, Mexico, Polynesia and Indonesia, so that no part of the world remains untouched by his wild and enigmatic presence. Western mythographers identify several places where the cults of "Dionysus" may have arisen, although they may in actual fact go much further back into the mists of prehistoric human experience. In this sense therefore the cults and ritual practices may constitute the foundation and source of all human religious experience. The mythic references from several sources suggest Thrace, Phrygia, Nysa, Boeotia, Nyseion, S. Italy. However, the Vedic cult of haoma in the northern reaches of the Indus valley where Greek influence extended may precede these places as origins or distant roots. The only other likely origin source is Finland, N. Russia, Siberia and Mongolia. 
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&lt;br/&gt;HYMN TO DIONYSUS: 
&lt;br/&gt;I invoke you, loud-crashing, eua-screaming Dionysos: 
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&lt;br/&gt;First born, second, third born King Bacchus! 
&lt;br/&gt;You, the savage, unspeakable, clandestine one, 
&lt;br/&gt;Two-horned, double-formed, ivy-clad, like the bull. 
&lt;br/&gt;You, like Ares, O Euius! 
&lt;br/&gt;You innocent devourer of flesh so raw! 
&lt;br/&gt;Triennial, frocked in grape and olive branch, 
&lt;br/&gt;You, Eubolius, so very enlightened. 
&lt;br/&gt;Demigod immortal, born of the coupling 
&lt;br/&gt;Of Zeus and Persephone, too dark to whisper! 
&lt;br/&gt;Listen, blessed one, to my voice, and breathe 
&lt;br/&gt;On me with a heart blameless and kind, 
&lt;br/&gt;You and the women who nurse you, dressed for duty. 
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&lt;br/&gt;THE LOVE OF DIONYSUS: 
&lt;br/&gt;At Naxos Dionysus met the beautiful abandoned maiden Ariadne, they fell hopelessly in love and they were soon married. Ariadne bore Oenopion, Thoas, Staphylus, Latromis, Euanthes, and Tauropolos and her bridal tapestry was adorned among the stars. Later in life he went to Argos where he punished Perseus for killing so many of his followers. However, Perseus eventually admitted his error and built a temple in honour of Dionysus. Finally Dionysus attained his apotheosis and was admitted into the Olympian circle as a true, eternal god. 
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&lt;br/&gt;APOTHEOSIS OF DIONYSUS: 
&lt;br/&gt;Early Gnosticism had proposed that the Christian Gospels were merely symbolic and not to be taken as literal or historic fact. More significantly they claimed that Christ did not die on the cross as stated in the Bible. This brought them into conflict with the Church of Rome and some elements of the Judaeans. The story of the dying and resurrected god harks back to an earlier pagan time. It represents a cycle of time as a mythic allegory. The people are in a state of crisis, the land is laid waste, a ritual human sacrifice is therefore arranged, the chosen man is accused, without resistance is openly arrested, he is questioned, beaten, whipped and stoned, then ritually hung on a tree, only to be pierced with arrows or in some cases spears. There then follows the ritual cannibal meal of bread and wine, symbolising blood and flesh. In the Greek legend when Dionysus reappeared to his followers he told them: 
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&lt;br/&gt;"You say Dionysus is dead, but I tell you he will make swift his return and avenge this gross sacrilege which you have here today performed." 
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&lt;br/&gt;This notion of ritual dismemberment, the tearing of flesh, the thrashing and whipping are all rural allegories of the wheat being cut, the grain that is delivered from the sheaf, the grapes that are crushed by trampling round in a circular fashion - symbolising a ritual calendar cycle of death and regeneration. However, the death is not "real" as contemporary Christians understand and believe today, but merely a psychological spectacle, a drama, and the real Christ is actually substituted for his twin (Tanist ie: substitute). The Gnostic heresy proclaimed that the death of the saviour is merely part of a greater mystery or proto-myth. In reality it represented the triumph of the spirit over matter, the death was in effect a ritual "psychic death" which symbolised the death of the lower self (Eidelon) and the resurrection of the Daemon (Higher Self). In other words death of the ego is necessary if we are to free the soul from the bonds and captivity of this mortal plane. Death is in actual fact a doorway into another dimension from which we, as divine sparks, return from time and time again. Initiations or "mysteries" of this type were very common in Gnostic and Orphic circles, particularly at Eleusius and usually followed by certain strict observances. According to one Gnostic tradition there were 4 levels of initiation. 
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&lt;br/&gt;1. The Hylic: (Physical Body) Theseus - Service &amp;amp; Duty, Earth. 
&lt;br/&gt;2. The Psychic: (Personality or Ego) Odysseus or Jason - Baptism, Water. 
&lt;br/&gt;3. The Pneumatic: (Spiritual Plane) Perseus - Holy Vibration, Air. 
&lt;br/&gt;4. The Gnostic: (Mystical Plane) Hercules - Divine Light, Fire. 
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&lt;br/&gt;SACRED MUSHROOM: 
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&lt;br/&gt;The mushroom is another perfect gestalt image which can embody the mysterious symbolism of Dionysian revelry and at the same time provide further clues to the enigmas of the cult practices during important calendrical periods. As an organic life-form mushrooms appear and disappear, as if by "magic". They break down what is no longer required, what has died and become useless and return what is essential to the earth once again. To the uneducated mind, therefore fungi seem to have no roots and shed no seed and suddenly manifest with little or no encouragement or assistance. However, natural biologists now know that mushrooms grow as a result of microscopic spores which find a suitable breeding ground in the shade and around the roots of certain trees. They usually sprout almost immediately after a thunder storm in the early morning sunshine reinforcing the idea that fungi are connected to the occurrence of lightning. As lightning is synonymous with the Greek God Zeus, then the mushroom is the child of the immortal god, raised up to heaven (apotheosis). The fungal bacterium resides largely underground or on its rotting host and only when the spores are reproduced does the mushroom's phallic stem and venereal hood suddenly and unexpectedly make their appearance. According to Greek Mythology Dionysus evolved magically from the remnant heart of Zagreus (Wildman of the Woods), the still-beating heart was saved by Zeus and given to Semele to consume. Therefore, in a strange manner of symbiosis and transmutation the infant Dionysus was born from the sexual union of Semele and Zeus. However, this myth describes the singular characteristics of the fungal kingdom particularly in woodland habitats. Scientists now realise that without fungi our atmospheric environment would consist largely of carbon dioxide and organic life would therefore cease to exist. In autumn when the decaying fruits fall from the trees (sugar &amp;amp; acid being synonymous with the still beating heart of Zagreus), followed by leaves and nuts (tannin) it provides a natural environment for its bacterial growth. The art of wine-making basically involves the encouragement of this organic transfiguration employing a lesser known fungus called yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae), which is of course also used in baking bread. The altars of Dionysus were usually dressed with customary delicacies of goat's cheese, bread, wine, grapes and yoghurt. All of these foods contain the natural enzymes, bacterial agents or the cultivated yeast and were therefore synonymous with the cult of Dionysus. In relation to Dionysian sacramental rites and more importantly with respect to the possible influence of magical concoctions there are numerous varieties of hallucinogenic compounds found in the mushrooms Death Cap (A. muscaria), and Magic Mushrooms (Stropharia cubensis). Alongside this phenomena it will be noted that wheat, rye and barley grains are often infected with a purple-coloured fungus known as ergot (Claviceps purpurea &amp;amp; C. paspali), which, according to the earliest records available to botanists happened during the Middle Ages. This devastating fungus was responsible for the occurrence of fits of hallucinogenic frenzy among the populace who had inadvertently consumed it with their daily bread. &lt;/div&gt;
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    <title>Why are you here?</title>
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      <name>joe @#$%ing judd</name>
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    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;For reasons not worth going into here, I bear a fairly strong (ok, sometimes rabid) anti-Christian sentiment. As a result I turn to other myths and stories to guide my narrative.
&lt;br/&gt;Athena and Odysseus, with their emphasis on craft (in both senses) and cleverness and wisdom, represent the ideals I aspire to. Years as a messenger make me claim the patronage of Hermes as well. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Of course like any good “pagan” I take gods where ever and find them and use them for whatever I can. The ones that I find the most use for:
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&lt;br/&gt;The Owl Maiden and The Mouse Rider (One Tooth) and the Grey Pilgrim (One Eye).
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&lt;br/&gt;The Giant Killer, The Crafty One (The Bad Sailor), The Betrayer of Balder (Father of the Wolf and the Snake).
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&lt;br/&gt;The Dead King and His Queen, The Mother and Her Daughter.
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&lt;br/&gt;Unfortunately I am fundamentally a scientist, and don’t really “believe” in anything (Ask me if I believe in evolution and I have pretty much the same reaction as Francesca does when you bring up Atlantis). This, however, doesn’t prevent me from spilling wine in their names occasionally.
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    <title>Ok...</title>
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    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Did a search on tribe for, tribes, that pertained to Athena.
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&lt;br/&gt;Here I am. 
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&lt;br/&gt;What next? I guess I'll read. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Hey all. 
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&lt;br/&gt;Scott&lt;/div&gt;
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    <title>what the hell is a mystery cult</title>
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    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;A mystery cult is a religion that knows or pretends to know something about the meaning of life. Mainly its an excuse to get drunk in the dark.&lt;/div&gt;
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    <title>side vent</title>
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    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;I know I've bitched about the followers of the bush burner's brat. But you know it's mainly his followers that I have an issue with. Not for foolish crap like their assimilation of this holy day, that’s what conquering religions do. Not with their strategies, these likewise are appropriate for an organization attempting world dominance. Its just that I thought they were ‘sposed to be doing something else.
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&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, going back to today: Sitting here watching the History channel with the sound off, and who should they be having a special on but Saul, the liar of Tarsus. How fuckin’ inappropriate. More than any other ‘til Constantine, he fucked the shepherds sheep. 
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&lt;br/&gt;I have to agree with Mr. Vidal, I think he lied.
&lt;br/&gt;I think Saul took what Simon Magus was fool enough to try and buy.&lt;/div&gt;
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    <title>Just for shits and grins...</title>
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    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Aristophanes and the Voice of Athenian Conservatism
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&lt;br/&gt;	In the latter part of the 5th century B.C., through the early 4th century, Aristophanes wrote a series of comedies that featured strong political commentary.  In plays such as The Acharnians and The Clouds, Aristophanes reflects the woes of Athenian society, and introduces fanciful, outlandish solutions.  At the heart of this, one can see a stinging critique of Athenian society and government, hand in hand with a longing for the past times of security and prosperity, forming the basis of Aristophanes’ conservative political message.
&lt;br/&gt;	The attempt to understand Aristophanes must begin with an examination of the Athens into which he was born.  Approximately forty years before Aristophanes’ birth, Athens had won her legendary victory at Marathon, and by 479 B.C., had led the Greek coalition (along with Sparta) to victory against Persia.  In the aftermath of the Persian war, Athens became both wealthy and powerful on the basis of her leadership of the Delian League.  Thus, it is into Athens at the height of her influence and opulence that Aristophanes was born around 450.  Though doubtless, a great time to be an Athenian, by 431, this same fortune led Athens inexorably into war with her former ally, now rival, Sparta.  It is during the war years that Aristophanes begins his career as writer of comedies.
&lt;br/&gt;	In The Acharnians, produced in 425 (6 years into the Peloponnesian war) deals with the futility of the war with Sparta, and Athens’ inability to make peace.  The protagonist, a farmer named Dikaiopolis, expresses his discontent with the current state of affairs: “I’m fed up with the city and just craving to get back to my village.  Ah! My village.  We had none of this ‘Coal for sale’, nor oil or vinegar either; we’d never even heard the word ‘for sale’.  Everything we needed we produced ourselves, and sails we didn’t need, ‘cause we hadn’t any boats.”  (Acharnians, Act I, Scene I).  This statement reflects not only the preference for rural existence over urban, but the mistrust of Athens’ market economy over her former self-reliance and isolation.  This theme of nostalgia continues, along with the critique of Athens’ reliance on mercenaries to fight her land battles, as “The Odomantian Army” is introduced to the assembly:
&lt;br/&gt;Theorus: These are excellent light infantry, and for two drachmas a day they will overrun the whole of Boeotia for you.
&lt;br/&gt;Dikaiopolis: Two drachmas for that lot, with not a whole prick between them!  The oarsmen who saved Athens from the Medes would have something to say about that.  [Some of the SOLDIERS pounce on his lunch-basket and begin to help themselves to the contents.]  Mr. Chairman, I must protest.  These Odomantians are pillaging my salad.  [To one of the SOLDIERS]  Put that garlic down, it’s mine!
&lt;br/&gt;In this, Aristophanes reflects the perils of putting the defense of Athens into the hands of foreigners, both in its cost to the treasury, and the threat of pillage felt by the Athenians.  Again, the reference to “the oarsmen who saved Athens from the Medes” invokes the memory of the height of Athens’ triumph, and the navy that was her pride, while ironically ignoring the fact that it was that selfsame focus on naval resources which put the polis in need of mercenaries.
&lt;br/&gt;	Not only were Athens’ military and fiscal policies subject to Aristophanes’ stinging wit, but also her intellectual and moral life, as exemplified in the debate between Philosophy and Sophistry in his play, The Clouds:
&lt;br/&gt;SOPHISTRY: I may be called Mere Sophistry, but I’ll chop you down to size.  I’ll refute you.
&lt;br/&gt;PHILOSOPHY: Refute me?  How?
&lt;br/&gt;SOPHISTRY:  With unconventionality.  With ultramodernity.  With unorthodox ideas.
&lt;br/&gt;PHILOSOPHY:  For whose present vogue we are indebted to this audience of imbeciles and asses.
&lt;br/&gt;Aristophanes is unambiguous in regards to his feelings about the school of sophistry.  He labels its’ proponents “asses”, while painting a picture of an Athens so compromised in its values as to provide ample opportunities for their success.
&lt;br/&gt;SOPHISTRY: Shower me with gold!  Look, don’t you see I welcome your abuse?
&lt;br/&gt;PHILOSOPHY: Welcome it, monster?  In my day we would have cringed with shame.
&lt;br/&gt;SOPHISTRY:  Whereas now we’re flattered.  Times change.  The vices of your age are stylish today.
&lt;br/&gt;PHILOSOPHY:  Repulsive Whippersnapper!
&lt;br/&gt;SOPHISTRY:  Disgusting Fogy!
&lt;br/&gt;PHILOSOPHY:  Because of you the schools of Athens stand deserted; one whole generation chaffers in the streets, gaping and idle.  Mark my words: someday this city shall learn what you have made her men: effeminates and fools.
&lt;br/&gt;Again, the glorification of generations past, and contempt for the “new logic” form the basis of Aristophanes’ message here.  It is the success of the sophists, and their students, both in winning key government positions, and in making Athens into a state obsessed with litigation which Aristophanes credits with the decline in Athenian morality.  The Philosophy/Sophistry debate in The Clouds goes on to define the difference between the old values and the new:
&lt;br/&gt;PHILOSOPHY:  Gentlemen, I propose to speak of the Old Education, as it flourished once beneath my tutelage, when Homespun Honesty, Plainspeaking, and Truth were still honored and practiced, and throughout the schools of Athens the regime of the three D’s – DISCIPLINE, DECORUM, ad DUTY – enjoyed unchallenged supremacy.
&lt;br/&gt; …these were the precepts on which I bred a generation of heroes, the men who fought at Marathon.  
&lt;br/&gt;…Turn your back upon his blandishments of vice, the rotten law courts and the cheap, corrupting softness of the baths.  Choose instead the Old, the Philosophical Education.  Follow me and from my lips acquire the virtues of a man: - A sense of shame, that decency and innocence of mind that shrinks from doing wrong.  To feel the true man’s blaze of anger when his honor is provoked.  Deference toward one’s elders; respect for one’s father and mother.  To preserve intact, unsullied by disgrace or stained with wrong, that image of Manliness and Modesty by which alone you live.  Purity: - to avoid the brothels and the low, salacious leer of prostituted love – which, being bought, corrupts your manhood and destroys your name.  Toward your father scrupulous obedience; to honor his declining years who spent his prime in rearing you.  Not to call him Dotard or Fogy-
&lt;br/&gt;…But follow my opponent here…you shall learn to make a mockery of all morality, systematically confounding good with evil and evil with good…
&lt;br/&gt;(The Clouds, pp. 97-101)
&lt;br/&gt;Again, the specter of glory won at Marathon is held in example as to why the older system was a better one.  The great list of values which Aristophanes attributes to Philosophy, or the “Old Learning”, are placed in diametric opposition to the qualities he ascribes to sophistry.  The Athens portrayed in The Clouds is one in which the old ways, despite any preference they may enjoy in the author’s portrayal, cannot succeed against the immoral “new logic”.  As a resolution, the school of sophistry, though successful in its aim of dominating the courts and the assembly, inspires outrage in the common man to the extent that his only solution is violence: the school is burned down, and what is essentially a riot ends the play.
&lt;br/&gt;	The political message underlying Aristophanes’ plays is neither unfamiliar, nor unpredictable: things used to be better.  What becomes the point for further discussion is the question he leaves us with: what do we do now?  The answers he provides are definitively comedic, be they a “private truce” to alleviate the toils of war, or getting rid of Sokrates in revenge for a ruined morality (which some, apparently, didn’t think was a joke).  Aristophanes was, perhaps, challenging his fellow citizens to arrive at a realistic course of action and lead Athens back to her former glory.&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2005-03-21T07:52:36Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Alexander the Great</title>
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    <author>
      <name>The Big Smooth</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/ba7a8975-50e6-48fd-8e90-671f474b5381</id>
    <updated>2004-12-30T01:33:27Z</updated>
    <published>2004-10-20T18:42:21Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;I'm ripping off this topic: http://losangeles.tribe.net/thread/3a96048a-b402-49c2-ade3-4765f2f4793b?tribeid=bd3c844d-efdf-4d9e-927c-685e839bb464&amp;amp;r=10025
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;So...Alexander the Great: pitcher, or catcher?
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Discuss.&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2004-10-20T18:42:21Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>playa-time</title>
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    <author>
      <name>joe @#$%ing judd</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/1178912e-e0d3-4307-a3f6-2e6748809447</id>
    <updated>2004-08-03T05:25:13Z</updated>
    <published>2004-08-02T17:44:41Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Me and the girls (plus my illustrious wife) will be at Venus and Orion's belt, right next to Xanadu and our casino. Swing by, light the goose, make a wine offering, get initiated (I swear, that's what the kids are calling it today).&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2004-08-02T17:44:41Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Fuckin' wit da classics (or, My issues with "Troy") - WARNING - SPOILERS!!!</title>
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    <author>
      <name>The Big Smooth</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/1d69e4f6-0bc7-45a4-86d2-9abc5553b571</id>
    <updated>2004-07-03T01:39:44Z</updated>
    <published>2004-05-24T22:21:24Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;WARNING - SPOILERS FOLLOW 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;If you want to watch the movie "Troy" and be at all surprised, DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER!!! 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;OKAY? 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;DO WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER? 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;FINE. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Okay, so I really don't want to go into some bit prose heavy post about what I did and didn't like about the movie "Troy", so here's a concise list: 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Things I Didn't Like - 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;1. Denial of Achilles as a King in his own right (incorrect). 
&lt;br/&gt;2. Suggestion of a unified Greek nation (incorrect). 
&lt;br/&gt;3. Age discrepancies with characters as portrayed in mythology (awkward). 
&lt;br/&gt;4. Patroclos is Achilles' cousin (incorrect). 
&lt;br/&gt;5. Hector is complicit in the abduction of Helen (incorrect). 
&lt;br/&gt;6. Briseis is a Trojan (incorrect). 
&lt;br/&gt;7. Odysseus (and Thetis, inadvertently) persuade Achilles to go to Troy. 
&lt;br/&gt;8. Hector kills Ajax (incorrect). 
&lt;br/&gt;9. Hector kills Menelaus (incorrect). 
&lt;br/&gt;10. Seige of Troy lasts about two weeks rather than ten years (incorrect). 
&lt;br/&gt;11. No mention of Hecuba (rude). 
&lt;br/&gt;12. Achilles lives to see the fall of Troy (incorrect). 
&lt;br/&gt;13. Agammemnon killed by Briseis (ridiculous and incorrect). 
&lt;br/&gt;14. Achilles killed NOT by one poisoned arrow in the heel, but by one in the heel followed by three or four to the chest (incorrect). 
&lt;br/&gt;15. The insinuated escape from Troy NOT ONLY of Aeneas (which would be correct, if alone) but of Helen, Paris, Andromache, Astyanax, and as many other Trojans as could make it out the "secret tunnel"...yeah, right (in-fucking-correct). 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Things about Troy that I liked, that were consistent with the mythology - 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;1. Achilles is a bad ass. 
&lt;br/&gt;2. Hector is a bad ass. 
&lt;br/&gt;3. The relationship between Hector and Andromache is handled very well (which is important). 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Things about "Troy" that I liked, that were NOT consistent with the mythology - 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;1. Handling of the "gods". 
&lt;br/&gt;2. Handling of the final battle between Hector and Achilles (the real setpiece of the film, which is EXCELLENT) which gives far more respect to Hector's bravery than Homer does. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Well, there it is. That's how I feel about it. Overall, I got a kick out of the movie ('cause I've got a pretty serious hard-on for Ancient and Archaic Greece), but I do feel that it could have been better. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Hollywood DOES need to pull their collective head out of their ass and hire me, already. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Seriously, folks: I'm a fucking expert. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Really. 
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I am. &lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2004-05-24T22:21:24Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Notes, references, and bibliography,</title>
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    <author>
      <name>joe @#$%ing judd</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/9cce5df5-e527-448a-bb6c-81d9ac7fcac0</id>
    <updated>2004-03-25T17:26:27Z</updated>
    <published>2004-03-20T17:14:34Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Homer, *The Odyssey,* trans. Robert Fitzgerald. Garden City, New York: Anchor Books, 1961.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Homer, *The Odyssey,* trans. Richmond Lattimore. New York, New York: Harper 
&lt;br/&gt;Colophon, 1975.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Homer, *The Odyssey,* trans. E.V. Rieu. London: Penguin Classics, 1946.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Hexter, Ralph, *A Guide to the Odyssey.* New York, New York: Vintage Books. 1993.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Turcan Robert,.*Cults of the Roman Empire,* trans. Antonia Nevill. Oxford, UK: Blackwell Publishers, 1966.
&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2004-03-20T17:14:34Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>A Homeric Onion article</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/a937c20a-169a-457b-b086-6afcd738e682" />
    <author>
      <name>none</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/a937c20a-169a-457b-b086-6afcd738e682</id>
    <updated>2004-03-24T20:12:20Z</updated>
    <published>2004-03-24T20:12:20Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;http://theonion.com/opinion/index.php?i=1&amp;amp;o=2
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;I so never want to meet a guy like this. But this gave me a hearty laugh today!&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2004-03-24T20:12:20Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Hieros Logos</title>
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    <author>
      <name>joe @#$%ing judd</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/f327ad53-bd6e-4d86-b54c-2d7ebe8b8913</id>
    <updated>2004-03-22T22:25:15Z</updated>
    <published>2004-03-22T22:25:15Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;So it is pretty obvious what the hieros logos of this cult must be. But also seems there would be some variations known only to initiates. I’m thinking something along the lines of the oar walk, a variation of the Dante ending, or something with the Telegonos ending?
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;Now, initiations. . .&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2004-03-22T22:25:15Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>check out my girls</title>
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    <author>
      <name>joe @#$%ing judd</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/c017401e-a722-4b5b-86c2-12d5db8cef3a</id>
    <updated>2004-02-22T16:49:20Z</updated>
    <published>2003-11-21T07:40:02Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;in the pictures, you know.&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2003-11-21T07:40:02Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Ibycus</title>
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    <author>
      <name>franceschina</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/0c3ba225-2a50-4bb4-a089-a00aadb9b828</id>
    <updated>2004-02-16T03:30:01Z</updated>
    <published>2004-02-13T00:56:51Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Does anyone know if the Ibycus system still exists? It was a way of searching Greek texts for words in basically all known Greek texts. It may have also had Latin... I NEED IT!&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2004-02-13T00:56:51Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Translation</title>
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    <author>
      <name>joe @#$%ing judd</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/e1ae1b0f-619b-42a8-8f4c-dc2b0ba61311</id>
    <updated>2004-01-30T07:13:43Z</updated>
    <published>2004-01-15T05:23:11Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Anyone have a favorite translation of Homer? Or know of a particularly heavily annotated one. I’m currently reading an Odyssey by Rieu but its just not that great. In fact in his one of his first footnotes he agrees to refer to the Greeks by the designations Homer gives them (Achean, Argive, Danaan) rather than just call them all Greeks. I’m thinking, "Mighty big of you sir."&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2004-01-15T05:23:11Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>This tribe is my favorite tribe</title>
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    <author>
      <name>none</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/8f64bc58-adc6-44a5-a6a9-ae9904f54cad</id>
    <updated>2004-01-15T19:14:10Z</updated>
    <published>2004-01-14T20:39:05Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;I swear. I mean it. All other discussion boards pale in comparision. The only other ones I like as much are the crafty ones.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;So to digress some more, I just finished reading the Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown, and it seems to me a slight rip off of the book on the Lost Ark... oh I wish I could remember the titel of it. I'll have to *ahem* look it up.&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2004-01-14T20:39:05Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Hero cults, as per request</title>
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    <author>
      <name>franceschina</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/f5e27545-fdfd-4082-a61d-467a7d645449</id>
    <updated>2004-01-08T00:51:50Z</updated>
    <published>2004-01-08T00:51:50Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Hero cults have their roots in Mycenaean cults of the dead, where the tomb became a shrine to the deceased and rituals carried out (probably) on an annual basis. After the Dark Ages, Archaic Greeks still revered these tombs as if they were the tombs of the Bronze Age heroes (like Odysseus).
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;If the hero cults have Bronze Age roots, they have descendants in the Christian cults of saints.&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2004-01-08T00:51:50Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Prayer</title>
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    <author>
      <name>joe @#$%ing judd</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/67ea7d1b-5ef3-4f49-ba21-a5d15b07386a</id>
    <updated>2003-12-22T01:03:04Z</updated>
    <published>2003-12-04T05:27:03Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Goddess of the flashing eyes
&lt;br/&gt;Bright-eyed Athene
&lt;br/&gt;Spear maiden
&lt;br/&gt;Daughter of the mighty Father
&lt;br/&gt;Pallas
&lt;br/&gt;In cunning or in open fight
&lt;br/&gt;Shield bearer
&lt;br/&gt;Goddess of the flashing eyes
&lt;br/&gt;Bright-eyed Athene&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2003-12-04T05:27:03Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>The long way home.</title>
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    <author>
      <name>joe @#$%ing judd</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/e2fc8db0-9189-4b1c-8d65-71cf07aafb1e</id>
    <updated>2003-12-09T21:06:22Z</updated>
    <published>2003-11-18T05:48:19Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;No matter how smart or clever you are, it is still best not to piss off the ocean.&lt;/div&gt;
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    <dc:date>2003-11-18T05:48:19Z</dc:date>
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  <entry>
    <title>Where's my damn cigarettes?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" href="http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/bed47610-8b36-49fe-9a4f-612851e2b5a8" />
    <author>
      <name>AnathemaD</name>
    </author>
    <id>http://cultofodysseus.tribe.net/thread/bed47610-8b36-49fe-9a4f-612851e2b5a8</id>
    <updated>2003-11-20T06:11:51Z</updated>
    <published>2003-11-20T06:11:51Z</published>
    <summary type="html">&lt;div&gt;Man, I sent this guy to the store for a pack of smokes 10 years ago and he's still not back. Guess he got lost AGAIN. I mean, how tough is it? &lt;/div&gt;
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